chintu25
03-09 10:42 AM
Good one ..itsnotfunny....but I will tell you that each one of us does wait with baited breath for the VB .
I am all for the FOIA drive and have promised some money as well. But lets just hope and pray that the VB brings some good news for some of us :)
I am all for the FOIA drive and have promised some money as well. But lets just hope and pray that the VB brings some good news for some of us :)
ras
07-06 03:39 AM
Why is such a big organization like IV not able to generate funds. Is it that IV members are not worthy to give funding or is there something else that needs to be done to make the members shell out money. An organization with 20K members has a lot of potential generate funds.
I do agree that desi mentality is little different with regard to coming forward or donating money. But that cannot be sole factor for the IV failure. I strongly believe it is not the member contributions that can make IV survive. There should be other mechanisms of getting funding like advertisements, banners, corporate sponsorship, etc. All these are leadership decisions. And apparently we don't see that happening which leads to the notion that we need new blood in the team.
I also dont deny that IV core team has other things in their life. And they cannot devote complete time for this. So as mentioned in one of the posts lets employ a manager to do these things. Lets figure out the expectations for this employee and also the salary for about 6months duration. Lets us assess this employees progress. A full time responsible team members/assistants ( paid or non paid) are required for the organization. There could be non paid executive committee members in parallel.
How are other websites like La raza or similer websites generating money. What are the ways they are following. Analyse them come up with the strategy to get more funding. That is what the leadership team is supposed to do. Not winning on the members to give money always. Lets us accept it the funding that can be got from members can only be minimal. Now having understood that what are the alternatives?
I think we need to come out of the shell. IV core doesn't appear to be transparent as it is supposed to be. Remember am not denying what they have done so far is any less. But my only saying is that we could do much more with the 20-30K memberbase. Lets utilize the brains in the crowd.
Please dont start questioning me if I donated, participated and followed IV suggestions. Yes, I did all of them. The point is not I as an individual we are talking about the system as a whole.
I do agree that desi mentality is little different with regard to coming forward or donating money. But that cannot be sole factor for the IV failure. I strongly believe it is not the member contributions that can make IV survive. There should be other mechanisms of getting funding like advertisements, banners, corporate sponsorship, etc. All these are leadership decisions. And apparently we don't see that happening which leads to the notion that we need new blood in the team.
I also dont deny that IV core team has other things in their life. And they cannot devote complete time for this. So as mentioned in one of the posts lets employ a manager to do these things. Lets figure out the expectations for this employee and also the salary for about 6months duration. Lets us assess this employees progress. A full time responsible team members/assistants ( paid or non paid) are required for the organization. There could be non paid executive committee members in parallel.
How are other websites like La raza or similer websites generating money. What are the ways they are following. Analyse them come up with the strategy to get more funding. That is what the leadership team is supposed to do. Not winning on the members to give money always. Lets us accept it the funding that can be got from members can only be minimal. Now having understood that what are the alternatives?
I think we need to come out of the shell. IV core doesn't appear to be transparent as it is supposed to be. Remember am not denying what they have done so far is any less. But my only saying is that we could do much more with the 20-30K memberbase. Lets utilize the brains in the crowd.
Please dont start questioning me if I donated, participated and followed IV suggestions. Yes, I did all of them. The point is not I as an individual we are talking about the system as a whole.
a1b2c3
09-10 12:39 PM
I don't know if anybody has noticed it but the dates for EB-2 for VB October 2007 was April 1, 2004 and for VB October 2008 is April 1, 2003. That is a retrogression of 1 year - not good. :mad:
And then you must have also noticed that in Dec 07, it moved to Jan 1, 02.
Jan 00 in Jan 08, U in Feb-March and then April 03 in April 07.
With due respect, I don't think what you have observed really points to anything, either way.
Eventually, EB2-I will move forward, probably next April or so. And yes, this is all good old speculation, it doesn't mean anything really.
And then you must have also noticed that in Dec 07, it moved to Jan 1, 02.
Jan 00 in Jan 08, U in Feb-March and then April 03 in April 07.
With due respect, I don't think what you have observed really points to anything, either way.
Eventually, EB2-I will move forward, probably next April or so. And yes, this is all good old speculation, it doesn't mean anything really.
raysaikat
01-08 05:33 PM
and why, pray, does your esteemed school keep accepting students from these so called "sub-standard" colleges in india? i would say 5-7 years of observed emperical evidence calls for some substantial action on your and your school's part in black-listing these institutions........so, either:
1. you are blowing smoke through eveyone's a** here or
2. the school is greedy for tuition fees - proving an earlier contention made in this thread about it being all about money....
P.S - i am not from one of these schools so no personal stake!
For 2. However, it is not really about greed, but necessity.
1. you are blowing smoke through eveyone's a** here or
2. the school is greedy for tuition fees - proving an earlier contention made in this thread about it being all about money....
P.S - i am not from one of these schools so no personal stake!
For 2. However, it is not really about greed, but necessity.
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vinvin24
05-03 02:09 PM
If there is a template for fax and regular mail, we can get more people involved in this campaign. Thank you for your efforts.
anilnag
02-23 02:29 PM
i thought it meant that you had to wait 4 months after your priority date is current to have any expectation of adjudication... no?
In the guideline for interpreting the dates USCIS hasn't mentioned anything about PD being current. So I think they process applications regardless of PD being current or not
'The table shown below is intended to be a tool for customers to view our processing times. When applications and petitions are completed within our target timeframes, those timeframes will be shown (example: 3 months). If we are not meeting our target timeframes a date will be shown (example: April 16, 2008).'
In the guideline for interpreting the dates USCIS hasn't mentioned anything about PD being current. So I think they process applications regardless of PD being current or not
'The table shown below is intended to be a tool for customers to view our processing times. When applications and petitions are completed within our target timeframes, those timeframes will be shown (example: 3 months). If we are not meeting our target timeframes a date will be shown (example: April 16, 2008).'
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gsc999
07-15 04:12 AM
GSC999 is back..Yay
Hello Santb,
Thanks for the welcome, good to see you too. Hope things are well.
Finally made it through the hectic work schedule.
Lets get some things done. We have the San Francisco 5K walk/race coming up too. Gotta get ready for that.
This is a shout-out to Bay area members. Contact Nola, Santb or me to participate in this event.
Cheers
g
Hello Santb,
Thanks for the welcome, good to see you too. Hope things are well.
Finally made it through the hectic work schedule.
Lets get some things done. We have the San Francisco 5K walk/race coming up too. Gotta get ready for that.
This is a shout-out to Bay area members. Contact Nola, Santb or me to participate in this event.
Cheers
g
EkAurAaya
04-30 02:58 PM
King says
tens of thousands applicants who will eventually get their GC applications get denied are getting free ride on EAD/AP.
I didnt get this... did he mean GC applications that eventually get denied are getting a free ride because of EAD/AP?
tens of thousands applicants who will eventually get their GC applications get denied are getting free ride on EAD/AP.
I didnt get this... did he mean GC applications that eventually get denied are getting a free ride because of EAD/AP?
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pdakwala
03-08 01:29 PM
It keeps saying that the page cannot be displayed. Requesting for some expert's tips.
akhilmahajan
09-14 02:04 PM
Ppl dont deserve, its their right. If they understand the meaning of deserve, they would be in DC with families.
But we educated ppl still think we dont deserve.
I dont know when we will come out of our comfort zone.
Its very easy to find 1000 cowards but always hard to find 1 brave person.
I am sure all our educated brethern are BRAVE ppl, but i think hesitant to show it outside their comfort zone.
Go IV Go
It's on September 18th or Never.
But we educated ppl still think we dont deserve.
I dont know when we will come out of our comfort zone.
Its very easy to find 1000 cowards but always hard to find 1 brave person.
I am sure all our educated brethern are BRAVE ppl, but i think hesitant to show it outside their comfort zone.
Go IV Go
It's on September 18th or Never.
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nirenjoshi
03-09 06:03 PM
Added info about April VB to past VBs table.
http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Past_Visa_Bulletin_Data
The way dates are moved doesn't seem to have any fact based intelligent logic.
Thanks.. I was about to create a table myself based on the archived bulletins..
However, there isnt much to infer - as you say there doesnt seem to be any logic in the movement of dates. The lack of transparency is quite frustrating.:mad:
http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Past_Visa_Bulletin_Data
The way dates are moved doesn't seem to have any fact based intelligent logic.
Thanks.. I was about to create a table myself based on the archived bulletins..
However, there isnt much to infer - as you say there doesnt seem to be any logic in the movement of dates. The lack of transparency is quite frustrating.:mad:
Sampath7768
07-18 03:51 PM
Hello All,
Some food for thought.
As I understand we (i.e IV) has 21000 members and 14000 active members. If even each active member contrubute $ 20 per month, that would be $ 420,000 per month or about $ 5 Mn per year.
Imagine the miracles that we can do with that kind of fund!! And I am damn sure that we can afford $ 20 per month. Cost of few gallons of gas per month.
Non contributing, active members! Please wake up atleast now and do some soul searching!!!
Some food for thought.
As I understand we (i.e IV) has 21000 members and 14000 active members. If even each active member contrubute $ 20 per month, that would be $ 420,000 per month or about $ 5 Mn per year.
Imagine the miracles that we can do with that kind of fund!! And I am damn sure that we can afford $ 20 per month. Cost of few gallons of gas per month.
Non contributing, active members! Please wake up atleast now and do some soul searching!!!
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wonderlust
07-09 02:57 PM
Hard copies of letters are more powerful than emails. Please continue writing letters because we need sustained efforts. Please also consider asking Ameirican Citizens to send letters from their perspective. See the letter template drafted by my American friends:
__________________________________________________ ______________
NAME AND TITLE OF THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL
ADDRESS
July 9 2007
Dear (TITLE AND LAST NAME):
I am a tax payer and resident of (YOUR STATE). I seek your help in the following matter:
On June 13th, the U.S. Department of State online Visa Bulletin announced availability of a large number of immigration visa, which opens door for legal employment-based immigration applicants to submit their paperwork starting July 1st. On July 2nd, merely 2 weeks later, the Visa Bulletin published by the U.S. Department of State announced that �there will be no further authorizations in response to requests for Employment-based preference immigration application cases�. This drastic change is condemned by American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) as �Bait-and-Switch� policy which �slams the door� in the face of immigration applicants who are following the laws. New York Times called it �immigration malpractice�. This has been a waste of the government�s time and money.
As an American Citizen and a tax-payer, I have worked and lived alongside with many legal immigrants and prospective legal immigrants. They actively contribute to the economy, education, technology, culture, and research in the U.S.
They also respect and obey the laws, even though there are stringent scrutiny and limitation imposed. For example, they wait for years to complete the legal process, during that time, they cannot travel abroad without the serious risk of being denied re-entry. Having committed no crime, they have to notify the government every time they change their place of residence � something that, among American citizens, only convicted felons are required to do. They have spent hundreds, sometimes thousands, of dollars on government-mandated application fees and related costs. They have underwent inordinate amounts of stress making sure their applications were complete and properly filled out in every way, knowing that any error or omission, real or perceived, could get their application automatically rejected. Through it all, they had faith in the system of legal immigration. Now they are being penalized for following the law and for having faith in the system, because the federal government has dealt with them unjustly and deceptively. Such a way of dealing with prospective legal immigrants is sure to deter other highly skilled, intelligent people from wanting to live and work in the US, to the detriment of our country.
I request that you investigate and work to improve the procedures for legal employment-based immigration. Specifically, I strongly urge you to support the highly skilled people who are seeking legal employment-based immigration because they are actively contributing and improving the (YOUR STATE) Community and the greater American Society.
Sincerely,
YOUR NAME AND TITLE
COMPANY/ UNIVERSITY.
__________________________________________
Wonderlust
PD 06/2006
Member of IV since Feb 2007
__________________________________________________ ______________
NAME AND TITLE OF THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL
ADDRESS
July 9 2007
Dear (TITLE AND LAST NAME):
I am a tax payer and resident of (YOUR STATE). I seek your help in the following matter:
On June 13th, the U.S. Department of State online Visa Bulletin announced availability of a large number of immigration visa, which opens door for legal employment-based immigration applicants to submit their paperwork starting July 1st. On July 2nd, merely 2 weeks later, the Visa Bulletin published by the U.S. Department of State announced that �there will be no further authorizations in response to requests for Employment-based preference immigration application cases�. This drastic change is condemned by American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) as �Bait-and-Switch� policy which �slams the door� in the face of immigration applicants who are following the laws. New York Times called it �immigration malpractice�. This has been a waste of the government�s time and money.
As an American Citizen and a tax-payer, I have worked and lived alongside with many legal immigrants and prospective legal immigrants. They actively contribute to the economy, education, technology, culture, and research in the U.S.
They also respect and obey the laws, even though there are stringent scrutiny and limitation imposed. For example, they wait for years to complete the legal process, during that time, they cannot travel abroad without the serious risk of being denied re-entry. Having committed no crime, they have to notify the government every time they change their place of residence � something that, among American citizens, only convicted felons are required to do. They have spent hundreds, sometimes thousands, of dollars on government-mandated application fees and related costs. They have underwent inordinate amounts of stress making sure their applications were complete and properly filled out in every way, knowing that any error or omission, real or perceived, could get their application automatically rejected. Through it all, they had faith in the system of legal immigration. Now they are being penalized for following the law and for having faith in the system, because the federal government has dealt with them unjustly and deceptively. Such a way of dealing with prospective legal immigrants is sure to deter other highly skilled, intelligent people from wanting to live and work in the US, to the detriment of our country.
I request that you investigate and work to improve the procedures for legal employment-based immigration. Specifically, I strongly urge you to support the highly skilled people who are seeking legal employment-based immigration because they are actively contributing and improving the (YOUR STATE) Community and the greater American Society.
Sincerely,
YOUR NAME AND TITLE
COMPANY/ UNIVERSITY.
__________________________________________
Wonderlust
PD 06/2006
Member of IV since Feb 2007
srikondoji
08-13 03:59 AM
Hey nave_kum,
Why do you think this is misleading? If you look at the date of the post, then the monday should be the following monday from that date which passed long time back. Let me know exacly what misled you, i may try to re-interpret if need be.
It is upto you to conclude who is right and who is wrong and nobody here is warning him because he is junior.
I have politely warned him, because i thought it was the right thing to do because of this discussion going in the wrong direction. I complained the adminstrator and moderator becuase that was the only tool available to me. Whatz wrong in this approach?
Best regards and cheers.
Guys...
I just logged in thinking that by Monday, we July 2nd filers wud be getting receipts. But after flipping the pages back on this forum, I saw that the Monday was indeed the previous one. This is indeed misleading. After seeing the ongoing tussle between buddyinus and Srikondo, I realised Buddyinus is right. Whats wrong in whatever he's saying??? The purpose of this thread is to discuss about the so called Monday's receipts. But since that Monday is gone, looks like u r fighting over nothing. How dare u warn anybody on this thread. I am with Buddyinus on this. He may be a junior but u dont have any rights to warn him. Beware.
Why do you think this is misleading? If you look at the date of the post, then the monday should be the following monday from that date which passed long time back. Let me know exacly what misled you, i may try to re-interpret if need be.
It is upto you to conclude who is right and who is wrong and nobody here is warning him because he is junior.
I have politely warned him, because i thought it was the right thing to do because of this discussion going in the wrong direction. I complained the adminstrator and moderator becuase that was the only tool available to me. Whatz wrong in this approach?
Best regards and cheers.
Guys...
I just logged in thinking that by Monday, we July 2nd filers wud be getting receipts. But after flipping the pages back on this forum, I saw that the Monday was indeed the previous one. This is indeed misleading. After seeing the ongoing tussle between buddyinus and Srikondo, I realised Buddyinus is right. Whats wrong in whatever he's saying??? The purpose of this thread is to discuss about the so called Monday's receipts. But since that Monday is gone, looks like u r fighting over nothing. How dare u warn anybody on this thread. I am with Buddyinus on this. He may be a junior but u dont have any rights to warn him. Beware.
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alterego
06-10 08:27 AM
This is really dissapointing. Eb2 India has not moved at all. EB3 now unavailable. EB3 ROW now unavailable.
When the reach the next fiscal year, things will be worse than now for EB India due to the loss of spillover.
The need for visa recapture is now more than ever.
When the reach the next fiscal year, things will be worse than now for EB India due to the loss of spillover.
The need for visa recapture is now more than ever.
jain4444
08-08 03:21 PM
ssss,
can you let us know your labor PD
can you let us know your labor PD
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villamonte6100
04-02 01:25 PM
Can somebody explain me why this disco guy and this Villamonte guy are even on this forum ??? We are sitting here for 9-10 years telling our folks in our home countries, I'll come in may, no probably july, no in july my papers goes for renewals,, may be Dec. no in Dec. tickets are too expensive and in March I have my project live date, may be next may oh no by then I'll have to send my papers for renewal.... well you know what, forget about me, you stay happy where you are and I live happily here....
And these people are telling us USCIS is doing what they should be doing...
Because this is an open forum or it is called a forum and I'm a member like you.
Mirage, we have our own frustrations with USCIS and I'm with you, but if you really think that you can get the information you wanted from USCIS, go ahead. Nobody is stopping you.
Come on.
And these people are telling us USCIS is doing what they should be doing...
Because this is an open forum or it is called a forum and I'm a member like you.
Mirage, we have our own frustrations with USCIS and I'm with you, but if you really think that you can get the information you wanted from USCIS, go ahead. Nobody is stopping you.
Come on.
jonty_11
07-11 03:18 PM
how abt predictions for Nov 2008......Lets do that in the predictions thread though
Vsach
07-14 08:09 PM
Going in mail tomorrow...let's do it...do able!!
Please post this thread at as well...way to go!
VSach
Please post this thread at as well...way to go!
VSach
greyhair
08-12 02:50 PM
My suggestion for everyone reading this is - do not send this information to your Company or HR department. They could ask us to table this additional cost. I work for Accenture so I hope that this does not apply to my employer with less than 50% employees on visa. But I'm not going to write to them asking about this because they may turn around asking us to eat this new cost.
How about you? Has anyone contacted their employer already? What are they saying?
How about you? Has anyone contacted their employer already? What are they saying?
vbkris77
09-05 10:58 PM
I missed the boat in 2007. I think the bigger point here is that people vent their frustration of their GC journey only in a blog hiding their identity. When it comes to real work of meeting people, most hide under their bed..
If the July 2007 fiasco hadn't happened, we wouldn't have had this mess. Most waiting on GC would have quit and gone home making the line shorter :rolleyes:
(The last line is sarcastic)
I think there is more smartness needed than luck in the greencard process. If you look at the posts in this thread there are some people that came to USA in 1990s and still waiting, while some that came much later are on their way to citizenship. Some got the EB2 route and are happy and some in EB3 have only gloom before them.
This in my opinion has helped smart folks among us:
- They applied for GC as soon as possible. Those who waited did not give importance to Greencard as soon as they started a job in USA are now paying for their mistakes. During the initial days of career I have seen people saying that GC is not important to them etc but when their H1B is about to expire they panic and get desperate for Green Card.
- Before pre-PERM era in 2005, smart folks took up jobs in states where labor certification had no backlog. They are now either waiting for citizenship or already citizens. On the other hand people in states like CA, NY etc suffered due to labor backlogs and far from getting greencard in hand.
- Any company can be good or bad for an individual. It it not a question of consulting vs fortune 500 or small vs big size of a company. Smart folks know what matters them the most when they join a company. When company sees them as a valuable asset, it applies for them. I have seen where company applied for GC as soon as the employee joined it. And I have seen posts where people had to wait for several years before company applied.
- People who took advantage of the Labor substitution got faster labors. Some could take advantage of EB2 labors and they are very fortunate. This is in no way endorsing the labor substitution rule, but in pre 2007 times nobody was protesting against it. This is a sad reality.
- Smart folks took the risk and changed jobs wth EB2 job requirements, so that they can file in EB2. Such folks with 2007 PD are happy today and people with 2003 PDs in EB3 will have to wait for a long time.
- If you read posts on this thread, many people have posted that they feel they are being screwed by their employer or lawyer. But hardly anyone has said they took any action against it. This is also a sad reality where we as a community have failed and will continue to suffer.
- Many folks have said that they thought they were in EB2. But found they are in EB3. This shows another weakness of our community and lack of awareness. IV forum tries to spread the awareness but unless an individual takes initiative, they will suffer.
Many people were able to file I485 in July 2007 due to IV effort. Imagine a 2004 EB3 India person without EAD today? How will he survive a job loss on H1B in a bad economy? We should take a lesson from that event and try for another big push. There is no other shortcut for us. It is shocking to find people on this thread that are in this country for more than 10 years and without a green card. These folks should be the most vocal folks in this effort.
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If the July 2007 fiasco hadn't happened, we wouldn't have had this mess. Most waiting on GC would have quit and gone home making the line shorter :rolleyes:
(The last line is sarcastic)
I think there is more smartness needed than luck in the greencard process. If you look at the posts in this thread there are some people that came to USA in 1990s and still waiting, while some that came much later are on their way to citizenship. Some got the EB2 route and are happy and some in EB3 have only gloom before them.
This in my opinion has helped smart folks among us:
- They applied for GC as soon as possible. Those who waited did not give importance to Greencard as soon as they started a job in USA are now paying for their mistakes. During the initial days of career I have seen people saying that GC is not important to them etc but when their H1B is about to expire they panic and get desperate for Green Card.
- Before pre-PERM era in 2005, smart folks took up jobs in states where labor certification had no backlog. They are now either waiting for citizenship or already citizens. On the other hand people in states like CA, NY etc suffered due to labor backlogs and far from getting greencard in hand.
- Any company can be good or bad for an individual. It it not a question of consulting vs fortune 500 or small vs big size of a company. Smart folks know what matters them the most when they join a company. When company sees them as a valuable asset, it applies for them. I have seen where company applied for GC as soon as the employee joined it. And I have seen posts where people had to wait for several years before company applied.
- People who took advantage of the Labor substitution got faster labors. Some could take advantage of EB2 labors and they are very fortunate. This is in no way endorsing the labor substitution rule, but in pre 2007 times nobody was protesting against it. This is a sad reality.
- Smart folks took the risk and changed jobs wth EB2 job requirements, so that they can file in EB2. Such folks with 2007 PD are happy today and people with 2003 PDs in EB3 will have to wait for a long time.
- If you read posts on this thread, many people have posted that they feel they are being screwed by their employer or lawyer. But hardly anyone has said they took any action against it. This is also a sad reality where we as a community have failed and will continue to suffer.
- Many folks have said that they thought they were in EB2. But found they are in EB3. This shows another weakness of our community and lack of awareness. IV forum tries to spread the awareness but unless an individual takes initiative, they will suffer.
Many people were able to file I485 in July 2007 due to IV effort. Imagine a 2004 EB3 India person without EAD today? How will he survive a job loss on H1B in a bad economy? We should take a lesson from that event and try for another big push. There is no other shortcut for us. It is shocking to find people on this thread that are in this country for more than 10 years and without a green card. These folks should be the most vocal folks in this effort.
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